On one occasion Ven. Musila, Ven. Pavittha, Ven. Narada, and Ven. Ananda were staying in Kosambi at Ghosita's monastery. Then Ven. Pavittha said to Ven. Musila: -"Musila, my friend, putting aside conviction, putting aside preference, putting aside tradition, putting aside reasoning through analogies, putting aside an agreement through pondering views: Do you have truly personal knowledge that, 'From birth as a requisite condition come aging & death'?" |
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Yes, Pavittha my friend. putting aside conviction, putting aside preference, putting aside tradition, putting aside reasoning through analogies, putting aside an agreement through pondering views, I do have truly personal knowledge that, 'From birth as a requisite condition come aging & death. |
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Similarly with: -From consciousness as a requisite condition comes name-&-form. |
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Musila, my friend, putting aside conviction, putting aside preference, putting aside tradition, putting aside reasoning through analogies, putting aside an agreement through pondering views: Do you have truly personal knowledge that, 'From ignorance as a requisite condition come fabrications'? |
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Yes, Pavittha , my friend, putting aside conviction, putting aside preference, putting aside tradition, putting aside reasoning through analogies, putting aside an agreement through pondering views: I do you have truly personal knowledge that, 'From ignorance as a requisite condition come fabrications'" |
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Musila, my friend, putting aside conviction, putting aside preference, putting aside tradition, putting aside reasoning through analogies, putting aside an agreement through pondering views: Do you have truly personal knowledge that, 'From the cessation of birth comes the cessation of aging & death'?" |
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Yes, Pavittha , my friend, putting aside conviction, putting aside preference, putting aside tradition, putting aside reasoning through analogies, putting aside an agreement through pondering views: I do you have truly personal knowledge that, 'From the cessation of birth comes the cessation of aging & death'?" |
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Similarly with: From the cessation of consciousness comes the cessation of name-&-form. |
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Musila, my friend, putting aside conviction, putting aside preference, putting aside tradition, putting aside reasoning through analogies, putting aside an agreement through pondering views: Do you have truly personal knowledge that, 'From the cessation of ignorance comes the cessation of fabrications'? |
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Musila, my friend, putting aside conviction, putting aside preference, putting aside tradition, putting aside reasoning through analogies, putting aside an agreement through pondering views: Do you have truly personal knowledge that, 'The cessation of becoming is Unbinding'?" |
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Yes, Pavittha , my friend, putting aside conviction, putting aside preference, putting aside tradition, putting aside reasoning through analogies, putting aside an agreement through pondering views: I do you have truly personal knowledge that, 'The cessation of becoming is Unbinding'" |
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-"Then, Ven. Musila, you are an arahant whose fermentations are ended." -When this was said, Ven. Musila was silent. 1 |
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Then Ven. Narada said: -"Pavittha my friend, it would be good if I were to get that question. Ask me that question and I will answer it for you." -"Then Ven. Narada will get that question. I will ask Ven. Narada that question, and may he answer that question for me." |
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Ven. Pavittha asks the same questions of Ven. Narada, who gives the same answers as Ven. Musila. |
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Then, Ven. Narada, you are an arahant whose fermentations are ended. |
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"My friend, although I have seen properly with right discernment, as it actually is present, that 'The cessation of becoming is Unbinding,' still I am not an arahant whose fermentations are ended. 2 It's as if |
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When this was said, Ven. Ananda said to Ven. Pavittha: -"When he speaks in this way, friend Pavittha, what do you have to say about Ven. Narada?" |
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"When Ven. Narada speaks in this way, friend Ananda, I have nothing to say about Ven. Narada except that [he is] admirable & skillful." |
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Notes 1. According to the Commentary, Ven. Musila's silence here is a sign of affirmation. 2. In other words, he has attained one of the preliminary levels of awakening (stream-entry, once-returning, or non-returning), but not full arahantship. As Mv.I.23.5 shows, even the level of stream-entry affords a vision of the Deathless. 3. The image refers to two common similes for the full experience of Unbinding: (a) it is refreshing & nourishing, like drinking water (see Dhp 205); and (b) some arahants experience it as if touching it with the body (see AN 9.45). |
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